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		<title>by: Harry Onara</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-22442</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-22442</guid>
					<description>Jack, look up up &quot;self-seeking&quot; in the dictionary. It would be good for you.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Harry,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;OK, here is some data:&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;1.    (adj) concerned only with one's own activities or needs and usually tending to self-assertion or self-satisfaction
(synonym) egocentric, egoistic, egomaniacal, egotistic, self-absorbed, self-centered, self-concerned, self-interested, self-involved, selfish, self-serving
(see also) pompous
(related) conceited, narcissistic, self-affected, self-applauding, self-conceited, self-concentered, self-indulgent, self-loving, stuck-up, vainglorious, megalomaniac

2.    (noun) a concern for one's own welfare at the expense of or in disregard of others
(synonym) selfishness, self-centeredness, self-concern, self-hood, self-interest, self-regard
(related) egoism, egotism, self-absorption, self, selfism, selfness, autotheism, self-worship
(contrast) self-denial, selflessness, self-sacrificing, benevolence, charity, generosity
(antonym) unselfishness
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;There. I have a feeling that does more good for you than for me. I know how I appear to 12-steppers including you, and that is fine. It cannot be otherwise.
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers, Jack Trimpey      &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, look up up &#8220;self-seeking&#8221; in the dictionary. It would be good for you.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Harry,</em></p>
<p><em>OK, here is some data:</em></p>
<p><em>1.    (adj) concerned only with one&#8217;s own activities or needs and usually tending to self-assertion or self-satisfaction<br />
(synonym) egocentric, egoistic, egomaniacal, egotistic, self-absorbed, self-centered, self-concerned, self-interested, self-involved, selfish, self-serving<br />
(see also) pompous<br />
(related) conceited, narcissistic, self-affected, self-applauding, self-conceited, self-concentered, self-indulgent, self-loving, stuck-up, vainglorious, megalomaniac</p>
<p>2.    (noun) a concern for one&#8217;s own welfare at the expense of or in disregard of others<br />
(synonym) selfishness, self-centeredness, self-concern, self-hood, self-interest, self-regard<br />
(related) egoism, egotism, self-absorption, self, selfism, selfness, autotheism, self-worship<br />
(contrast) self-denial, selflessness, self-sacrificing, benevolence, charity, generosity<br />
(antonym) unselfishness<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>There. I have a feeling that does more good for you than for me. I know how I appear to 12-steppers including you, and that is fine. It cannot be otherwise.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers, Jack Trimpey      </em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-22255</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-22255</guid>
					<description>I used to drink because I had an allergy (an abnormal and/or pathological reaction to a substance) in the way &quot;The Doctor's Opinion&quot; of the big book explains it. I'm not trying to push that view on anyone, it's just how I reacted to it.
If Jack Trimpey or anyone else  stays sober and happy some other way, I can only wish them the best of luck.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Harry,

Every word we say, from birth to death, is an attempt to push our views, opinions, and desires on others. Your pitch is simply a little more obsequious than most.

Jack Trimpey&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to drink because I had an allergy (an abnormal and/or pathological reaction to a substance) in the way &#8220;The Doctor&#8217;s Opinion&#8221; of the big book explains it. I&#8217;m not trying to push that view on anyone, it&#8217;s just how I reacted to it.<br />
If Jack Trimpey or anyone else  stays sober and happy some other way, I can only wish them the best of luck.</p>
<blockquote><p>Harry,</p>
<p>Every word we say, from birth to death, is an attempt to push our views, opinions, and desires on others. Your pitch is simply a little more obsequious than most.</p>
<p>Jack Trimpey</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-7417</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-7417</guid>
					<description>To Clark:
You sir are an imbecile. People drink for pleasure not to escape from pain. Of course dulling pain is pleasurable anyway but that is beyond your comprehension. You only know how to pimp your 12 step program like the whore you are. You are not a philosopher or scientist or much of anything at all except an addict. Your concept of the higher power is nothing more than religion. You criticise others religion while promoting your own, that is nothing new. You are a hypocrite and opportunist posing as savior to addicts. You perceive all criticism as wrong and misguided as do all religious fanatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Clark:<br />
You sir are an imbecile. People drink for pleasure not to escape from pain. Of course dulling pain is pleasurable anyway but that is beyond your comprehension. You only know how to pimp your 12 step program like the whore you are. You are not a philosopher or scientist or much of anything at all except an addict. Your concept of the higher power is nothing more than religion. You criticise others religion while promoting your own, that is nothing new. You are a hypocrite and opportunist posing as savior to addicts. You perceive all criticism as wrong and misguided as do all religious fanatics.
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		<title>by: clark gable</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-6218</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-6218</guid>
					<description>You sir are an imbecile. People do not drink for pleasure they drink to escape from pain. Of course pleasure is a painkiller anyway but that is beyond your comprehension. You only know how to pimp your product like the whore you are. You are not a philosopher or scientist or much of anything at all except a capitalist. Your concept of the beast is nothing more than religion. You criticise others religion while promoting your own, that is nothing new. You are a hypocrite and opportunist posing as savior to addicts. You perceive all criticism as wrong and misguided as do all religious fanatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sir are an imbecile. People do not drink for pleasure they drink to escape from pain. Of course pleasure is a painkiller anyway but that is beyond your comprehension. You only know how to pimp your product like the whore you are. You are not a philosopher or scientist or much of anything at all except a capitalist. Your concept of the beast is nothing more than religion. You criticise others religion while promoting your own, that is nothing new. You are a hypocrite and opportunist posing as savior to addicts. You perceive all criticism as wrong and misguided as do all religious fanatics.
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		<title>by: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-6098</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-6098</guid>
					<description>Right! Come on then....lets add a wee bit of controversry to the mix then shall we?
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt; [Here, JD has entered a long list of quotes from prominent officials and experts casting doubt upon the 911 Commission’s version of the WTC disaster. Although that material is off topic, he added the poem below, some inspired writing which might bring strengthened conviction for some readers. — Jack Trimpey ]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;…So I ask the question and comment in regard to addictions:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;you're keeping in step in the line
got your chin held high and you feel just fine
'cause you do what you're told
but inside your heart it’s black, it’s hollow and it’s cold
&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;just how deep do you believe?
will you bite the hand that feeds?
will you chew until it bleeds?
can you get up off you knees?
are you brave enough to see?
do you want to change it?
&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;what if this whole crusade's a charade?
and behind it all is a price to be paid
for the blood, on which we dine
justified in name of the holy and the divine?
&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;just how deep do you believe?
will you bite the hand that feeds?
will you chew until it bleeds?
can you get up off you knees?
are you brave enough to see?
do you want to change it?
&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;so naive…
i keep holding on to what i want to believe
i can see…
but i keep holding on and on and on and on and on...
&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;will you bite the hand that feeds you?
will you stay down on your knees?
will you bite the hand that feeds?

Thanks, JD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right! Come on then&#8230;.lets add a wee bit of controversry to the mix then shall we?</p>
<blockquote><p><em> [Here, JD has entered a long list of quotes from prominent officials and experts casting doubt upon the 911 Commission’s version of the WTC disaster. Although that material is off topic, he added the poem below, some inspired writing which might bring strengthened conviction for some readers. — Jack Trimpey ]</em></p></blockquote>
<p align="center">…So I ask the question and comment in regard to addictions:</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">you&#8217;re keeping in step in the line<br />
got your chin held high and you feel just fine<br />
&#8217;cause you do what you&#8217;re told<br />
but inside your heart it’s black, it’s hollow and it’s cold</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">just how deep do you believe?<br />
will you bite the hand that feeds?<br />
will you chew until it bleeds?<br />
can you get up off you knees?<br />
are you brave enough to see?<br />
do you want to change it?</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">what if this whole crusade&#8217;s a charade?<br />
and behind it all is a price to be paid<br />
for the blood, on which we dine<br />
justified in name of the holy and the divine?</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">just how deep do you believe?<br />
will you bite the hand that feeds?<br />
will you chew until it bleeds?<br />
can you get up off you knees?<br />
are you brave enough to see?<br />
do you want to change it?</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">so naive…<br />
i keep holding on to what i want to believe<br />
i can see…<br />
but i keep holding on and on and on and on and on&#8230;</p>
<div align="center"></div>
<p align="center">will you bite the hand that feeds you?<br />
will you stay down on your knees?<br />
will you bite the hand that feeds?</p>
<p>Thanks, JD!
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		<title>by: Harry Onara</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-4095</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 07:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-4095</guid>
					<description>Ann Coulter is just a mean-spirited b*tch. How could anyone aspire to emulate such a truly miserable human being such as she is beyond reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann Coulter is just a mean-spirited b*tch. How could anyone aspire to emulate such a truly miserable human being such as she is beyond reason.
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		<title>by: Rick B</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-1510</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-1510</guid>
					<description>Citing anything from Ann Coulter to support your point takes your credibility into negative territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citing anything from Ann Coulter to support your point takes your credibility into negative territory.
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		<title>by: Robert xxxxx</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-447</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-447</guid>
					<description>Mr Trimpey
AVRT is a great thing. It can and will help many of us. Ann Coulter is an opportunist who wants to sell her secondrate book. If you want to maintain your credibility and continue to help people, then keep the politics out of this. You will only damage your reputation and this great venue by bringing politics into it. I think AA does much harm, but one thing that is not discussed at their meeetings is politics. So, in closing I suspect that your political views would put me off, as mine would you, so lets us try and keep this forum focused on what we are here for - keeping our Beast at bay using AVRT.

Also, your reply to Sam Migell ([Will Sam continue his addiction? I wish him well. - JT]) was uncalled for and petty.

I was and still am interested in attending your seminar, but reading some of your comments, well, I have to wonder. Please try to keep things in perspective and on focus.
Thank you

==================================
&lt;em&gt;Robert,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;AVRT is your missing moral conscience, which you exchanged for your addiction long ago. You may restore your moral conscience &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://rational.org/recover.html&quot;&gt;at this link,&lt;/a&gt; and recover independently, without the inconvenience and expense of seminars, addiction treatments, rehabs, etc.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;AVRT® is shockingly political. Your wish to suppress AVRT® is no different from Mr. Migell’s, and just as insolent. My commentaries will continue without restraint by sensitive readers. A sizzling, AVRT-inspired, &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.rational.org/blog/30/#more-30&quot;&gt;political commentary&lt;/a&gt; has just been posted, one that might really get under your skin. Perhaps I should say, “…under your Beast’s skin,” but that is for you to decide. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Take it from me, the best/worst is yet to come on the political side of things, so if you or your Beast finds that kind of commentary offensive, then tune out.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers, really,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Jack Trimpey  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Trimpey<br />
AVRT is a great thing. It can and will help many of us. Ann Coulter is an opportunist who wants to sell her secondrate book. If you want to maintain your credibility and continue to help people, then keep the politics out of this. You will only damage your reputation and this great venue by bringing politics into it. I think AA does much harm, but one thing that is not discussed at their meeetings is politics. So, in closing I suspect that your political views would put me off, as mine would you, so lets us try and keep this forum focused on what we are here for - keeping our Beast at bay using AVRT.</p>
<p>Also, your reply to Sam Migell ([Will Sam continue his addiction? I wish him well. - JT]) was uncalled for and petty.</p>
<p>I was and still am interested in attending your seminar, but reading some of your comments, well, I have to wonder. Please try to keep things in perspective and on focus.<br />
Thank you</p>
<p>==================================<br />
<em>Robert,</em></p>
<p><em>AVRT is your missing moral conscience, which you exchanged for your addiction long ago. You may restore your moral conscience <a target="_blank" href="http://rational.org/recover.html">at this link,</a> and recover independently, without the inconvenience and expense of seminars, addiction treatments, rehabs, etc.</em></p>
<p><em>AVRT® is shockingly political. Your wish to suppress AVRT® is no different from Mr. Migell’s, and just as insolent. My commentaries will continue without restraint by sensitive readers. A sizzling, AVRT-inspired, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rational.org/blog/30/#more-30">political commentary</a> has just been posted, one that might really get under your skin. Perhaps I should say, “…under your Beast’s skin,” but that is for you to decide. </em></p>
<p><em>Take it from me, the best/worst is yet to come on the political side of things, so if you or your Beast finds that kind of commentary offensive, then tune out.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers, really,</em></p>
<p><em>Jack Trimpey  </em>
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		<title>by: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-352</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-352</guid>
					<description>This entry was difficult to read. I am neither a conservative or a fan of Ann Coulter, and I am deeply opposed to some of the political viewpoints implicitly and explicitly expressed here.

That said, Jack Trimpey's political views do not affect the validity of AVRT, which is what Rational Recovery is all about. Even though I know this, my Beast was sorely provoked by this article - it was screaming, &quot;Run, run, run.&quot; But thanks to AVRT, I understand that it was not screaming &quot;Run, because you disagree strongly with Jack Trimpey's political views.&quot; Rather, it was screaming &quot;Run, because this is the best excuse I've seen yet to drop this whole AVRT thing.&quot;

Well, too bad, Beast. It's a free country, and Mr. Trimpey has the right to his politics, just as I have the right to mine. And I have even worse news for you - if I can stick to AVRT after this, you're in big trouble.

But Ann Coulter? Wow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entry was difficult to read. I am neither a conservative or a fan of Ann Coulter, and I am deeply opposed to some of the political viewpoints implicitly and explicitly expressed here.</p>
<p>That said, Jack Trimpey&#8217;s political views do not affect the validity of AVRT, which is what Rational Recovery is all about. Even though I know this, my Beast was sorely provoked by this article - it was screaming, &#8220;Run, run, run.&#8221; But thanks to AVRT, I understand that it was not screaming &#8220;Run, because you disagree strongly with Jack Trimpey&#8217;s political views.&#8221; Rather, it was screaming &#8220;Run, because this is the best excuse I&#8217;ve seen yet to drop this whole AVRT thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, too bad, Beast. It&#8217;s a free country, and Mr. Trimpey has the right to his politics, just as I have the right to mine. And I have even worse news for you - if I can stick to AVRT after this, you&#8217;re in big trouble.</p>
<p>But Ann Coulter? Wow&#8230;
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		<title>by: CTMS</title>
		<link>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-198</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.rational.org/blog/12/#comment-198</guid>
					<description>Anne,
The greatest thinkers of day once thought the world was flat. There was no scientific evidence of this; it was accepted as fact by the masses and held in place by superstition. Our knowledge and understanding have evolved throughout history and this will also be true in the area of “addiction”.
CTMS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,<br />
The greatest thinkers of day once thought the world was flat. There was no scientific evidence of this; it was accepted as fact by the masses and held in place by superstition. Our knowledge and understanding have evolved throughout history and this will also be true in the area of “addiction”.<br />
CTMS
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