Jack Trimpey says - Alcoholism is NOT a disease. Therefore, that 15 year study where it was proven that alcohol in certain individuals metabolizes itself into Acetaldehyde, then Dopamine, then finally to THIQ causing a reaction much like heroin - it’s rubbish. Garbage! Thank you Jack for clearing that up for us!
Clearly AA’s central indoctrination of its members convincing them that not only can they never drink again but that they have to experience a psychic change to ensure that they will never feel a need to drink again is the wrong approach. A person should NEVER have to change in order to get rid of their bad habits and their desire to partake in them! That’s just pure insanity!
And now I am going to go pray…. er … converse with the Addictive Voice in my head - that’s much more rational. Thank you again Jack!
Dave,
Your objection has gotten lost in lame sarcasm. I gather you are insisting that the act of self-intoxication is an innocent disease symptom, in spite of never seeing any scientific evidence of a disease yourself. You never saw the THIQ study, Dave, because that is urban legend stuff, i.e., the THIQ-laden cadaver tale. When I educate physicians, I always ask, “What effect do brain juices (neurotransmitters) have when applied to striated muscle tissue, such as the bicep? They see immediately that voluntary muscle is sympathetic NS controlled, and that addiction is voluntary, purposeful, free-will stupidity.Check out the evidence page for more background on the addictive disease scam:
I hope you aren’t fronting a pretend disease to your family or to the taxpayers who have to clean up after your messes, especially if you are receiving pretend treatments that cost everyone else lots of money and peace of mind. If you won’t guarantee me, your family, and the world you’ll never drink/use again, then you lack the moral standing for polite company.
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]]>Paul,
The fearless moral inventories of 12-step recovery are empty because addicts apologize for all of their drunken behavior, but carefully avoid responsibility for the act of self-intoxication. The act of self-intoxication is the mother of all moral inventories, a profoundly immoral act causing others pain and suffering and placing everyone at risk.
Human beings must be taught how to apologize, and usually are as children. I have taught children and many adults how to apologize because they dont’t know how to do it. Because you are obviously in recovery, your moral conscience is dormant, and you cannot apologize for your past drinking/using because you reserve the option to have yummy relapses.
Judging the conduct of others is part of personal maturity. In the inverted world of recoveryism, however, moral judgment is loathed in all of its forms because it is in our animal nature to resent social censure of our conduct.
My question, Paul, is what is your plan for the future use of alcohol and other drugs? Are you going to use again in this lifetime, or are not? If you can’t guarantee me and everyone who cares that you’ll never drink again, then you lack to moral standing to comment on this matter.
Get it?
Jack Trimpey
]]>Tom,
It’s AVRT, not ARTV. You might also try learning AVRT® and grow up.
Jack Trimpey
Sincerely
Steve
]]>Steve,
Such pristine logic! Alcoholics are people who drink too much but don’t really love to drink, but drink because they are powerless over their desire to drink resulting from a mysterious, unidentified, incurable disease for which their is no laboratory test, alcoholism. Naturally, alcoholics don’t have favorite drinks because they are just obeying forces beyond their control. People who quit drinking aren’t alcoholics because if they were they wouldn’t have been able to quit. If they were real alcoholics they wouldn’t have been able to quit. If they could‘ve quit, they would‘ve quit, but they didn’t quit, which proves they absolutely cannot quit, and only God can help them.
I’m thinking real hard about this and I think I’m getting it. Maybe some other 12-steppers can illuminate this conundrum.
Jack Trimpey
I believe alcoholism and similar addictions have been moral issues from the beginning of human history and still are. When you identify the problem you know where the answer lies. I have attended many open AA meetings, to try to “understand.” AA says their “disease is baffling.” As long as well-meaning but misinformed people try to treat moral problems with medical means they will always be baffled.
]]>Nancy,
Very well said! Here’s my 2¢.
The clergy, scientists, physicians, psychologists, and three blind men would all agree that addiction is a moral problem if they weren’t swarmed the the mendacious sentimentality of the addiction treatment industry, and its feeder system, the recovery group movement.
As an addicted, licensed professional, I was once convinced that my “alcoholism” was the outcome of physiological and psychological factors. My colleagues had similar beliefs, and so did the various graduate schools we all attended. While I was “in recovery,” i.e., tentatively sober, I “treated” a good number of “alcoholics” and other substance abusers. I dictated clinical notes documenting the backgrounds, clinical planning, and prognosis of people suffering from addictive disease, and when they continued their addiction, as practically all did, I closed their cases and opened new ones. The disease concept of addiction fit me well, so I wore it to work, did my job, and got drunk on weekends.
In 1978, the A.M.A. conceded to an internal special interest group, the “two-hatters” who had received a political rehabilitation throught the disease concept of addiction, and merely endorsed the proposition that alcoholism is a disease. For thirty years, they had acknowledged AA’s “religious solution” without endorsing it, but the stench of money finally overtook their scientific and moral forethought. Brought to a floor vote, the “ayes” won, just as that annual conference was ending. Although science isn’t democratic, the A.M.A. has permitted the illusion to continue, that the incurable, insurable disease of alcoholism/addiction may be treated medically, just as cancer, diabetes, and multiple schlerosis and other chronic diseases are treated. For a discussion of that, read this blog.
My point is that the medical profession, which enjoys the greatest benefits of its powerful role in society, is also most liable for the iatrogenic nightmare they have loosed upon America and the rest of the world. While most believe that the recovery group movement is expanding to keep up with mass, runaway addiction to alcohol and other drugs, that is simply one more inversion added to the comprehensive inversion of reality created by the disease concept of immorality.
Jack Trimpey
I tried the AA way. I left every meeting with the intense desire to drink - a complete flip from the desire to be sober that led me to the meeting mere hours earlier.
The stories of devastating failure and painful struggles within from the members around the room only deepened my feelings that I was doomed to fail, and therefore, must be a failure. I was a daily drinker for many, many years. I felt lonely and misunderstood, feeling that no-one could know how strong the pull of alcohol was. All day long while at work I would tell myself “I’m NOT going to stop at the liquor store on the way home, I don’t want to”. Sure enough, I would end up in the drive thru lane feeling like a failure. The dismal thought of attending an AA meeting instead only added stress, which I counteracted with another drink. How sad!
After searching for a better way by researching my ‘hopeless disease’ online (online learning - which I just learned is another disease - Ha!), I came across your website and a HUGE weight lifted from my shoulders. I clicked my way to success in mere minutes by reading your FREE web pages about the addictive voice and the basic animal desire to feel good (I called it ‘numb’) and relaxed. I instantly saw what I knew all along. I was the reason that glass kept being refilled. Wow… Just imagine! It’s been a while since it had a drink. Not counting the days, weeks or months as there’s no need. It’s something silly I used to let happen.
Please don’t let a few insecure people get to you. They are clearly angered that there is a simple way to stop what they have worked SO hard to justify. It must turn their world upside down.
One more thing — THANK YOU, more than you will EVER know!
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Carl,You made my day!
Jack Trimpey