Comments on: The Ancestry of Substance Abuse Counseling http://rational.org/blog/38/ Alcoholism, Drug Addiction, AA, 12-step Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:49:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Grace http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-58849 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:01:10 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-58849 If Rational Recovery is so good why knock AA? Keep it simple! <blockquote><em>Grace, </em> <em>AVRT is very simple. You can just quit your addiction and stay home. AA brings mystery to addiction and recovery, prevents people from quitting, and burdens the family with chronic addiction and one-day-at-a-time sobriety.  </em> <em>Jack Trimpey </em></blockquote> If Rational Recovery is so good why knock AA?

Keep it simple!

Grace, 

AVRT is very simple. You can just quit your addiction and stay home. AA brings mystery to addiction and recovery, prevents people from quitting, and burdens the family with chronic addiction and one-day-at-a-time sobriety. 

Jack Trimpey

]]> by: Kev http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-47034 Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:09:29 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-47034 Thanks for the ancestry blog. I've battled with excessive drinking for almost 30 yrs. And with AA for 20! Deep within my soul I never felt relief while practicing the "steps", I felt like a victim of a disease, which is what you're taught in the rooms. I don't like feeling like a victim. And I never liked the idea of sitting around a bunch of strangers sharing drunk stories, and trying to happily convince myself that recovery is forever. I thank God for the day when I googled "AA alternatives" and found Rational Recovery. Finally after reading the book and following through with my big plan, I felt the cloud of victimization disperse. I felt a freedom I never felt in AA. Soon after that I thought to myself how simple this was. How I wasted so much time in AA struggling with the cause of my drinking rather than abstaining from drinking and letting life show me what those causes were. Well, you know the saying, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees! Kev Thanks for the ancestry blog. I’ve battled with excessive drinking for almost 30 yrs. And with AA for 20! Deep within my soul I never felt relief while practicing the “steps”, I felt like a victim of a disease, which is what you’re taught in the rooms. I don’t like feeling like a victim. And I never liked the idea of sitting around a bunch of strangers sharing drunk stories, and trying to happily convince myself that recovery is forever. I thank God for the day when I googled “AA alternatives” and found Rational Recovery.
Finally after reading the book and following through with my big plan, I felt the cloud of victimization disperse. I felt a freedom I never felt in AA. Soon after that I thought to myself how simple this was. How I wasted so much time in AA struggling with the cause of my drinking rather than abstaining from drinking and letting life show me what those causes were.
Well, you know the saying, sometimes you can’t see the forest for the trees!

Kev

]]> by: Bryce T http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-41949 Thu, 29 May 2008 14:11:46 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-41949 Hello, I haven't had a drink in three months. Every aspect of my life is better: my marriage, relation to my kids, my job. It took a crisis to force me to confront my alcoholism, and I have; today I don't want to drink. My life, literally, has not been as good as it is today in I don't know how many years. I also remain a lifelong secularist who does not believe in any of the standard deities, their organizers or their earthly institutions. But after reading this website, I find that I am nothing more than the victim of a crazy quasi-religious cult; that this cult has done nothing more than continue my addiction; that the parallel cult in which my wife has found a great deal of comfort and strength is "anti-family" and is only accomodating my addiction; that the, literally, millions of people who have recovered from addictions in the last 50 years through this cultlike passivity have, apparently, not, or haven't done so in a way that this recovery program's director and his disciples approve. It is telling that this website devotes as much space as it does to bashing the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. It appears that one cornerstone of "rational" recovery is to dump truckloads of hate, resentment, and judgment on AA participants. No thanks. AA is not for everyone; it is not a perfect system. I wish those who participate in the RR program every success with their recovery. It is saddening that so much of that recovery program seems to depend on judging and belittling people who have found their recovery through AA. <blockquote>Bryce, Well, isn’t that nice? You’re still having it both ways, Bryce. You haven’t found your recovery in AA or anywhere else, and neither has a single soul including AA’s founder. You’re using the weight of AA to justify your past and future drinking, getting weirder by the day, congratulating yourself for behavior that is minimally decent in real life. You may look good to your family as a disease victim, better perhaps than the animal thing you became, but you still reserve the privilege of drinking any time you really <em>feel</em> like it. You never did confront your appalling vice, but to avoid this painful showdown you have taken on a new identity, all dressed up as a sicko who can’t figure out that your own use of alcohol is grossly immoral. To mark you recent conversion, you now sport a new last name, “Imanalcoholic,” and drag your entire family into that idiotic hand-stand you call, “in recovery.” You’re counting time until your next drink, amazed and impressed each day that, “Today, I don’t want to drink!”</blockquote> <blockquote>Wow, that’s great, Bryce, but suppose you <em>do</em> want to drink? Suppose you <em>really want to drink! </em>Are you going to call your sponsor? Are you going to double up on meetings for a while and expect your family will be wonderfully supportive of your absences and compassionately accept the cloud of uncertainty surrounding your head? Or, will you just have a double Relapse on the rocks with the understanding that everyone will understand that you’re a sacred alcoholic, entitled by nature and by God-as-you-understand-him to have a yummy relapse any time you really, really feel like it? Oh, by the way, do you give a damn what your children think of your craziness? If you don’t trust yourself, why should they? Do you think your pretend disease will impress them when you’ve smashed the car or stunk up the house or grossed them out again? Will your pretend disease matter when they remember the bad years? Do you think they will like the stigma of addictive disease in their genes? Are you telling them they come from a long line of degenerates? How about the bad company you hang out with in the evenings, as you warn them to stay away from bad company? When you make amends to your family and others, can you apologize for the one vile act that has nearly destroyed them, the act of self-intoxication? Or, will you spend the years to come doing fearless moral inventories on the countless injuries to others resulting from obliterating your moral judgment with alcohol? You can’t have this one both ways; just try doing an FMI on drinking, and stand back for the sideshow. Until you face your fear of morally judging your own use of alcohol, you’re just another moral coward in recoveryism. You are telling us that your ancestors knew nothing about addiction recovery, because they clung to the primitive belief that the use of alcohol by problem drinkers is immoral conduct. You’ve uprooted your family tree and stuck it, roots up, back into the ground, effectively cancelling your ancestral heritage, and now you move ahead in a new clan worshipping the god of the alcoholic’s imagination — the same god that ran your ship aground in the first place. You believe in nothing, not even yourself, but you whine when anyone points the finger at the protector of your addiction, your shield against righteous moral outrage, your self-centered fellowship of irresolute substance abusers. What is your plan for the future use of alcohol and other drugs? Are you going to use again in this lifetime, or are you not? If you can’t guarantee everyone who cares you’ll never drink again, then who do you think you are? Oh, right. You’re Imanalcoholic, with the inalienable right to drink. Your addiction was a one-day-at-a-time betrayal of your family; your 12-step recoveryism is the final betrayal of both sides of your present family. Well, keep going back, one meeting at time, and soon you’re brain will stop champing the bit for freedom from the prison of recoveryism. The promises of AA will come true, really they will, and you’ll be happy, joyous, and free. The key back into the human family is <a target="_blank" href="http://rational.org/recover.html"><strong>here,</strong></a> whenever you decide you’ve had enough. Your wife would probably prefer to have back the man she married, and your children would certainly prefer you as a normal man who stands on principle rather than upon lame justifications for past and future self-intoxication. Jack Trimpey</blockquote> Hello,
I haven’t had a drink in three months. Every aspect of my life is better: my marriage, relation to my kids, my job. It took a crisis to force me to confront my alcoholism, and I have; today I don’t want to drink. My life, literally, has not been as good as it is today in I don’t know how many years. I also remain a lifelong secularist who does not believe in any of the standard deities, their organizers or their earthly institutions.

But after reading this website, I find that I am nothing more than the victim of a crazy quasi-religious cult; that this cult has done nothing more than continue my addiction; that the parallel cult in which my wife has found a great deal of comfort and strength is “anti-family” and is only accomodating my addiction; that the, literally, millions of people who have recovered from addictions in the last 50 years through this cultlike passivity have, apparently, not, or haven’t done so in a way that this recovery program’s director and his disciples approve.

It is telling that this website devotes as much space as it does to bashing the fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. It appears that one cornerstone of “rational” recovery is to dump truckloads of hate, resentment, and judgment on AA participants. No thanks.

AA is not for everyone; it is not a perfect system. I wish those who participate in the RR program every success with their recovery. It is saddening that so much of that recovery program seems to depend on judging and belittling people who have found their recovery through AA.

Bryce,

Well, isn’t that nice? You’re still having it both ways, Bryce. You haven’t found your recovery in AA or anywhere else, and neither has a single soul including AA’s founder. You’re using the weight of AA to justify your past and future drinking, getting weirder by the day, congratulating yourself for behavior that is minimally decent in real life.

You may look good to your family as a disease victim, better perhaps than the animal thing you became, but you still reserve the privilege of drinking any time you really feel like it. You never did confront your appalling vice, but to avoid this painful showdown you have taken on a new identity, all dressed up as a sicko who can’t figure out that your own use of alcohol is grossly immoral. To mark you recent conversion, you now sport a new last name, “Imanalcoholic,” and drag your entire family into that idiotic hand-stand you call, “in recovery.” You’re counting time until your next drink, amazed and impressed each day that, “Today, I don’t want to drink!”

Wow, that’s great, Bryce, but suppose you do want to drink? Suppose you really want to drink! Are you going to call your sponsor? Are you going to double up on meetings for a while and expect your family will be wonderfully supportive of your absences and compassionately accept the cloud of uncertainty surrounding your head? Or, will you just have a double Relapse on the rocks with the understanding that everyone will understand that you’re a sacred alcoholic, entitled by nature and by God-as-you-understand-him to have a yummy relapse any time you really, really feel like it?

Oh, by the way, do you give a damn what your children think of your craziness? If you don’t trust yourself, why should they? Do you think your pretend disease will impress them when you’ve smashed the car or stunk up the house or grossed them out again? Will your pretend disease matter when they remember the bad years? Do you think they will like the stigma of addictive disease in their genes? Are you telling them they come from a long line of degenerates? How about the bad company you hang out with in the evenings, as you warn them to stay away from bad company? When you make amends to your family and others, can you apologize for the one vile act that has nearly destroyed them, the act of self-intoxication? Or, will you spend the years to come doing fearless moral inventories on the countless injuries to others resulting from obliterating your moral judgment with alcohol? You can’t have this one both ways; just try doing an FMI on drinking, and stand back for the sideshow. Until you face your fear of morally judging your own use of alcohol, you’re just another moral coward in recoveryism.
You are telling us that your ancestors knew nothing about addiction recovery, because they clung to the primitive belief that the use of alcohol by problem drinkers is immoral conduct. You’ve uprooted your family tree and stuck it, roots up, back into the ground, effectively cancelling your ancestral heritage, and now you move ahead in a new clan worshipping the god of the alcoholic’s imagination — the same god that ran your ship aground in the first place. You believe in nothing, not even yourself, but you whine when anyone points the finger at the protector of your addiction, your shield against righteous moral outrage, your self-centered fellowship of irresolute substance abusers.

What is your plan for the future use of alcohol and other drugs? Are you going to use again in this lifetime, or are you not? If you can’t guarantee everyone who cares you’ll never drink again, then who do you think you are? Oh, right. You’re Imanalcoholic, with the inalienable right to drink. Your addiction was a one-day-at-a-time betrayal of your family; your 12-step recoveryism is the final betrayal of both sides of your present family.
Well, keep going back, one meeting at time, and soon you’re brain will stop champing the bit for freedom from the prison of recoveryism. The promises of AA will come true, really they will, and you’ll be happy, joyous, and free. The key back into the human family is here, whenever you decide you’ve had enough. Your wife would probably prefer to have back the man she married, and your children would certainly prefer you as a normal man who stands on principle rather than upon lame justifications for past and future self-intoxication.
Jack Trimpey

]]> by: Gary B. http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-19498 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:46:53 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-19498 Dear Jack Regarding your "Vitriolic A.A. bashing" ...More power to you! As I see it, what you are doing is nothing less than the vital work of deprogramming victims of a dangerous, brain-washing cult. I note with sadness some of the previous objections to your comments from current A.A. infectees. "Poor, suggestible, deluded buggers" I say. They evidently beleve that their quasi-religious indoctrination is a good thing to infect others with. My response to this is: Really? Tell that to the former A.A member (a vulnerable bipolar sufferer) that I know who was so successfully indoctrinated with all this Big Book occultism that he was detained in an acute mental health treatment ward because of a bout of feverous, A.A induced religious mania! Wait a minute... I have another one for you... how about the (former) very good friend of mine whose loving wife took her kids and dumped him because (due to the consequences of the proselytism that A.A inevitably coerces) she and her kids could understandably no longer tolerate the strain of having to listen to his morbid, (frankly David Koresh/Jim Jones reminiscent) evangelical A.A. monologues on a daily basis? Folks, speaking for myself, all I know is this: I will NEVER EVER have anything more to do with recovery groups. I'm now sensible enough to know that they could only do me harm. And besides, I'M NEVER GOING TO DRINK AGAIN AND I'M NEVER GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND - so why the hell do I need a bunch of Moonies trying to undermine that committment by telling me that if I stick with them I have the dubious pleasure of remaining sober "one day at a time?" All I can say is, Jack, thank you for heping me to recognize my Beast and allowing me to start acting like a man and not an animal. I'm sure I would have done this sooner if not for the near-fatal mistake of entering the Cult of Akron. Peace, Gary <blockquote><em>Gary,</em> <em>Bravo to you for finally taking control! Enjoy your good feelings because they are your natural reward. I’m glad you mention the anti-family aspects of 12-step recoveryism, because very few people understand that Al-Anon is a coordinated effort to make families accommodate addiction. </em> <em>Be sure to let others know about AVRT® so they can avoid the difficulties you had to face. </em> <em>Cheers, Jack Trimpey   </em></blockquote> Dear Jack

Regarding your “Vitriolic A.A. bashing”

…More power to you!

As I see it, what you are doing is nothing less than the vital work of deprogramming victims of a dangerous, brain-washing cult.

I note with sadness some of the previous objections to your comments from current A.A. infectees. “Poor, suggestible, deluded buggers” I say.

They evidently beleve that their quasi-religious indoctrination is a good thing to infect others with.

My response to this is: Really? Tell that to the former A.A member (a vulnerable bipolar sufferer) that I know who was so successfully indoctrinated with all this Big Book occultism that he was detained in an acute mental health treatment ward because of a bout of feverous, A.A induced religious mania!

Wait a minute… I have another one for you… how about the (former) very good friend of mine whose loving wife took her kids and dumped him because (due to the consequences of the proselytism that A.A inevitably coerces) she and her kids could understandably no longer tolerate the strain of having to listen to his morbid, (frankly David Koresh/Jim Jones reminiscent) evangelical A.A. monologues on a daily basis?

Folks, speaking for myself, all I know is this:

I will NEVER EVER have anything more to do with recovery groups. I’m now sensible enough to know that they could only do me harm.

And besides, I’M NEVER GOING TO DRINK AGAIN AND I’M NEVER GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND - so why the hell do I need a bunch of Moonies trying to undermine that committment by telling me that if I stick with them I have the dubious pleasure of remaining sober “one day at a time?”

All I can say is, Jack, thank you for heping me to recognize my Beast and allowing me to start acting like a man and not an animal. I’m sure I would have done this sooner if not for the near-fatal mistake of entering the Cult of Akron.

Peace,
Gary

Gary,

Bravo to you for finally taking control! Enjoy your good feelings because they are your natural reward. I’m glad you mention the anti-family aspects of 12-step recoveryism, because very few people understand that Al-Anon is a coordinated effort to make families accommodate addiction.

Be sure to let others know about AVRT® so they can avoid the difficulties you had to face.

Cheers,

Jack Trimpey   

]]> by: Micky http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-12693 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:20:12 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-12693 BILL WILSON - FALSE PROPHET It is important to note that Bill Wilson's faith system was not based on Jesus Christ and Him crucified; nor is there any mention of Jesus Christ being the Savior from his sin. Both he and Bob Smith (co-founder of AA) embraced and promoted a variety of spiritual experiences, which included practicing spiritualism and conversing with the dead (which the Bible forbids) and being heavily involved in séances. Wilson also acted as a medium or channeler. It was while involved in these types of religious experiences, not Biblical Christianity, that Wilson developed his Twelve Steps (Pass It On, pp 156, 198, 275, 278). PEACE BE WITH YOU MICKY <hr /> <blockquote>Mickey, Your post should be of interest to all Christians, especially Christian clergy who have failed to recognize AA as the face of evil. Sadly, the American religious community has sold out to the heresy of AA/NA/Alanon, offering official endorsements and material support to the voracious, soul-reaping 12-step program. Few people recognize Bill Wilson as a failed Christian whose involvement with occultism and drugs resulted in his infamous compromise between addiction and piety — the 12-step program. Fully in the grip of addiction as he wrote the 12-step program, he could not comprehend that, for problem drinkers, the act of self-intoxication is immoral conduct. You don’t have to believe in Jesus to understand that abstinence on a moral plane is the easy, softer way He spoke of. “Go and sin no more,” doesn’t mean one-day-at-a-time. It means, “I will never drink again!” Jack Trimpey</blockquote> BILL WILSON - FALSE PROPHET
It is important to note that Bill Wilson’s faith system was not based on Jesus Christ and Him crucified; nor is there any mention of Jesus Christ being the Savior from his sin. Both he and Bob Smith (co-founder of AA) embraced and promoted a variety of spiritual experiences, which included practicing spiritualism and conversing with the dead (which the Bible forbids) and being heavily involved in séances. Wilson also acted as a medium or channeler. It was while involved in these types of religious experiences, not Biblical Christianity, that Wilson developed his Twelve Steps (Pass It On, pp 156, 198, 275, 278).
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY


Mickey,

Your post should be of interest to all Christians, especially Christian clergy who have failed to recognize AA as the face of evil. Sadly, the American religious community has sold out to the heresy of AA/NA/Alanon, offering official endorsements and material support to the voracious, soul-reaping 12-step program.

Few people recognize Bill Wilson as a failed Christian whose involvement with occultism and drugs resulted in his infamous compromise between addiction and piety — the 12-step program. Fully in the grip of addiction as he wrote the 12-step program, he could not comprehend that, for problem drinkers, the act of self-intoxication is immoral conduct.

You don’t have to believe in Jesus to understand that abstinence on a moral plane is the easy, softer way He spoke of. “Go and sin no more,” doesn’t mean one-day-at-a-time. It means, “I will never drink again!”
Jack Trimpey

]]> by: RE http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-12264 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:28:04 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-12264 RR, I have been around AA for 15 years,having been sent by the courts twice to sign papers.I just got worse. Many times I went to my meetings not feeling like drinking, but after an hour of listening to "war stories" of partying, I really wanted to drink and would then go get drunk. Also, I never knew what a resentment was until I heard one explained in a meeting and I started thinking about ones I should have against certain family members. From that point on this resentment manifested itself and grew like a cancer and I was totally unable to shake it. AA's sayings like "singleness of purpose", "unity","principles before personalities", "our common welfare comes first" and the 12 traditions are very cult like.I have heard advice to dump one's spouse if they were a bad influence or objected to the program.Thanks RR,your the solution! RR,
I have been around AA for 15 years,having been sent by the courts
twice to sign papers.I just got worse. Many times I went to my meetings
not feeling like drinking, but after an hour of listening to “war stories” of
partying, I really wanted to drink and would then go get drunk.
Also, I never knew what a resentment was until I heard one explained in a meeting and I started thinking about ones I should have
against certain family members. From that point on this resentment
manifested itself and grew like a cancer and I was totally unable to shake
it. AA’s sayings like “singleness of purpose”, “unity”,”principles before
personalities”, “our common welfare comes first” and the 12 traditions are very cult like.I have heard advice to dump one’s spouse if they were a bad influence or objected to the program.Thanks RR,your the solution!

]]> by: Nothing else worked http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-11753 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:40:42 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-11753 I have tried "Self-Recovery" on all levels....Trust me!!!! It never worked. AA is not a cult it is not for everyone and is not always the best place to recover but it is not a cult. Unfortunately, the true nature of AA has been scrambled by too many other addictions and opinions. Even the founders saw that coming. There are a lot of people who are forced to go to AA which leaves a lot of room for error. It was designed for those who were so far gone there was no other way out or for people who wanted it. Your program is no farther away from being a cult than from anyone elses and I am sure your program will work for lots of people just like AA has but to vindicate AA or other recovery groups for self promotion seems a shame. AA saved my life and it will save thousands of others who are able to sift through the BS. <blockquote>Nothing, Rational Recovery® has no members, no groups, and tells everyone to say home with their families in the evening. Some cult. Jack Trimpey</blockquote> I have tried “Self-Recovery” on all levels….Trust me!!!! It never worked. AA is not a cult it is not for everyone and is not always the best place to recover but it is not a cult. Unfortunately, the true nature of AA has been scrambled by too many other addictions and opinions. Even the founders saw that coming. There are a lot of people who are forced to go to AA which leaves a lot of room for error. It was designed for those who were so far gone there was no other way out or for people who wanted it.

Your program is no farther away from being a cult than from anyone elses and I am sure your program will work for lots of people just like AA has but to vindicate AA or other recovery groups for self promotion seems a shame. AA saved my life and it will save thousands of others who are able to sift through the BS.

Nothing,

Rational Recovery® has no members, no groups, and tells everyone to say home with their families in the evening. Some cult.

Jack Trimpey

]]> by: Jodi M http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-11750 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:22:50 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-11750 I don't really understand why someone who works with addicts and alcoholics would bash a program that is successful for thousands of people. I do not know if your program works or not but I do know that AA is working for me. I have NEVER been told that I had to do anything working my 12 step program but given suggestions on how other people have handle similar situtations. The 12 step program is a Spiritual program (there is a 12 step bible) and works if you work it. This web site is not about recovery if it was you would not put down a program that was developed by more than 100 people (yes Bill and Bob are the main ones but if you read the book it says that 100 people helped it perfecting it) and I know many people who have been in recovery for 20 to 30 years by working the program you are calling a cult!!! I firmly believe that a person who wanted to help could help people without putting down other means of recovery!! I am very sadded by your approach at SELLING your recovery ideas!!! As my program teaches me I will pray for you and anyone who would walk away from a GOD given program and follow you. It is important that we recovering 12 steppers stick together we all share a common bond and need to be reminded when our mind turns on us who we are. I am just wondering how many of your followers are still in recovery today, you success rate, how much $$$$$ you have earned, what your program will be doing in 50 years and of course how many people DIE from following you!!!!May GOD be with you and your followers and I WILL pray that each of you live find your own PROMISES I don’t really understand why someone who works with addicts and alcoholics would bash a program that is successful for thousands of people. I do not know if your program works or not but I do know that AA is working for me. I have NEVER been told that I had to do anything working my 12 step program but given suggestions on how other people have handle similar situtations. The 12 step program is a Spiritual program (there is a 12 step bible) and works if you work it. This web site is not about recovery if it was you would not put down a program that was developed by more than 100 people (yes Bill and Bob are the main ones but if you read the book it says that 100 people helped it perfecting it) and I know many people who have been in recovery for 20 to 30 years by working the program you are calling a cult!!! I firmly believe that a person who wanted to help could help people without putting down other means of recovery!! I am very sadded by your approach at SELLING your recovery ideas!!! As my program teaches me I will pray for you and anyone who would walk away from a GOD given program and follow you. It is important that we recovering 12 steppers stick together we all share a common bond and need to be reminded when our mind turns on us who we are. I am just wondering how many of your followers are still in recovery today, you success rate, how much $$$$$ you have earned, what your program will be doing in 50 years and of course how many people DIE from following you!!!!May GOD be with you and your followers and I WILL pray that each of you live find your own PROMISES

]]> by: Brian Asbury http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-10224 Sun, 24 Jun 2007 01:46:51 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-10224 Hi Jack: Thanks for all you do in exposing the 12 step heresy for what it is. I remember in my AA days, there was this one poor chap in the meeting who was miserable, who was telling who I think was his sponsor that he just didn't see how this 12 step thing could help him. What could his sponsor offer him besides let go let God and a bunch of other vacuous bullshit? Poor fellow! If only he'd known about RR, if only I'd known about RR back then. AA causes a lot of needless grief and sorrow for people who still haven't been brainwashed by their malignant cult. Keep going after them, Jack! Hi Jack:
Thanks for all you do in exposing the 12 step heresy for what it is.
I remember in my AA days, there was this one poor chap in the meeting who was miserable, who was telling who I think was his sponsor that he just didn’t see how this 12 step thing could help him. What could his sponsor offer him besides let go let God and a bunch of other vacuous bullshit? Poor fellow! If only he’d known about RR, if only I’d known about RR back then. AA causes a lot of needless grief and sorrow for people who still haven’t been brainwashed by their malignant cult. Keep going after them, Jack!

]]> by: LUC Bourassa http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-9839 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:19:42 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/38/#comment-9839 I have been to Brentwood in 1989 3 ms IT was all about inventory,honesty,submissions,the grosser the story the more respect you received.I went to 3 other rehabs and no straight answers.THank-you Mr Trimpey for outing them for what it is. Luc Bourassa Toronto,ontario,canada. I have been to Brentwood in 1989 3 ms IT was all about inventory,honesty,submissions,the grosser the story the more respect you received.I went to 3 other rehabs and no straight answers.THank-you Mr Trimpey for outing them for what it is.
Luc Bourassa
Toronto,ontario,canada.

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