I’m just curious, do you hate jews, african americans, christians, homosexuals, for their believes and cultures?
I believe you called everyone who attends this AA syndicate sociopaths. And I could state clearly with a dictionary to back me up that a sociopath does not feel guilt shame or remorse. They are incapable of it. It this were the case for addicted people they would’nt seek help in the first place because they would believe they have never done anything wrong.
To follow another false statement.. You said that self intoxication is an immoral act therefore being an alcoholic makes you immoral. Humanism proves that fully incorrect.
I really hope that you can use your very wonderful skill with words and persuasive abilities to make this reply seem like a 4 year old had wrote it. I hope that one day your original family values falls in line with what our society believes is morally corect (i.e…rape is wrong, murder is wrong, etc.) and I want you to explain if original family values are what willl keep one abstinent. How does a incest rape victim use AVRT/RR?
If original family values are used to describe our society’s values your being terribly misleading.
Oh, I would also like to know if everyone who follow’s AVRT/RR remains abstinent for the rest of thier lives and if not, why doesn’t it work?
Please use words an average person can understand when replying. — Alex
Alex,
I can tell from your message that you are not interested in learning anything about AVRT® or Rational Recovery®. You have made some assumptions about me and about RR/AVRT, and there is probably little that I can do to convince you otherwise. However, I can give some very brief answers to some of your questions.
1. There are two ways of looking at addiction, either as a disease or as immoral conduct. In a disease, drinking/using is a symptom of hidden causes, such as genetics, psychological, or emotional conditions. Without the disease, addiction has always been seen as a moral weakness. AA and other recovery group organizations use the genetic or psychological disease concept of addiction. Rational Recovery rejects the disease idea and treats addiction as a moral failing. In other words, drinking/using is voluntary behavior for the sheer pleasure of it, regardless of what excuses one gives for it, such as to relax, to cope or deal with “issues,” or to feel normal.
The pursuit of pleasure at the expense of others is immoral conduct. I do not hesitate to judge the behavior of others when it places me or my family or others at risk. I don’t have to be perfect to condemn the use of alcohol by problem drinkers. Anyone, including you, can plainly see that drinking/using impairs one’s moral judgment, and no act can be more immoral than to transform oneself into a wild animal with the use of alcohol. Addiction is a moral failing in which one fails to comprehend that his own use of alcohol is immoral conduct. In other words, an “alcoholic” is just a self-excusing drunk, using a disease to make drinking/using appear innocent.
2. You ask if I hate people in certain categories, using racial, sexual, and religious stereotypes. That is because you think I am hateful. That is how you see me, for whatever reasons. I do hate evil, very much. I believe in evil, although you may not. I believe there are evil forces in our animal nature, and I believe there are people who are essentially evil, bad to the bone. You seem to think I am a bad or evil person, even though I have done nothing to you or to anyone you know.
3. You ask if everyone who uses AVRT® stays perfectly abstinent for the rest of their lives. AVRT® is just the addict’s missing moral conscience. It is an expression of free will to choose between good and evil. Yes, many millions of addicted people quit and stay quit for the rest of their lives based solely upon their moral judgment that for them, drinking/using is immoral conduct. Many try to ignore the fact that independent recovery is commonplace and relatively easy. They say, “If you could‘ve quit, you would‘ve quit, but you didn’t quit, which proves you cannot quit.” That is how recovery groups pull down newcomers — like a pack pulls down big game. So, yes, AVRT® is perfect and when people use it, they never drink again. It comes with a guarantee.
4. How does an incest victim use AVRT®? Just like anyone else. Incest victims drink for the pleasure of it, just like all other so-called “alcoholics” drink for pleasure. They make up excuses, as all addicts do, using the excuse, “Someone touched my pee-pee when I was little, which justifies my current drunkenness.”
As I said, I think you have your own way of looking at things, which is through the eyes of your addiction. That makes drinking/using by problem drinkers and other substance abusers an innocent act, which is exactly why people must keep going back to meetings for the rest of their days. Original family values are the only ones that can help addicted people, but unfortunately the recovery group movement now exists to condemn every member’s gene pool and ancestral heritage. Just as murder, killing, and rape are wrong, so is the use of alcohol and other hedonic drugs by problem drinkers and other drug addicts.
Any moron, even you Alex, can not do something, and I have perfect confidence in your ability to decide to never drink again and stick to that decision base entirely upon the beliefs and values you knew by the time you were five or six years old. Sadly, I doubt that you hold yourself to that standard, which is why you remain in recovery year after year. When you’re ready to really quit, AVRT® is available to you, free as the air we breathe.
Jack Trimpey
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Tanya sees my inverted advice as real wisdom. My satirical article went completely over her head. When I say that 12-step recoveryism is an inverted philosophy, I’m not kidding. She walks through life on her hands.
The disease concept of addiction is original denial, the denial of the moral axis of the act of self-intoxication by addicted people. That profound inversion requires that all adjacent truths be inverted to fit, causing a progressive, all-encompassing inversion of reality.Jack Trimpey
I have a currently using alcoholic brother( 1 of 5)who is currently “IN CRISIS” because he threw out his girlfriend who has been “enabling” him for the last 5 yrs.
The house of cards is crumbling rapidly. He was hospitalized last year near to death from his alcohol use and insists that the diagnosed damage to his brain,heart,liver,pancrease and stomach are all the result of “stress”.
Prior hospitalizations for internal bleeding, one of which left him in a coma approx. 30 days were also the result of stress.
I readily admit I was completely taken in of the whole dog & pony show of disease, denial,uncontrollable, genetic etc. I have cried many tears, wrung my hands, lost precious sleep and commiserated for hours with family and friends. As an RN, I guess I’ve been programmed.
HOWEVER, since happening onto your site I feel a deep sense of relief because I have ALWAYS harbored a deep feeling that the alcoholic is really personally responsible for the chaos,calamity,insanity and doom and gloom that surround them and those unfortunates stuck with them.
I do not know much about AA so can’t say yea or nay but this AVRT makes sense to my sensibilities, my moral compass and my inherent belief that good and evil are a choice.
I have e-mailed this post to others and added my own postscipt that as of today I declare myself guiltless of any label (enabler,codependent) that would imply that I am responsible in any way for the alcoholic’s poor choices and judgement.
I will sleep well tonight!! Good luck to you and I will refer your site to others.
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Rational Recovery® is very pro-family, dedicated to protecting families from the scourge of recoveryism. More families and lives are destroyed by recoveryism than by addiction itself.
Addiction recovery is not about doing something; it’s about not doing something. Any moron can not do something. To set up a world full of triggers and slippery places means creating endless excuses for getting loaded. Although it is difficult to know what we will do in the future, any of us can know with certainty what we won’t do.
“Recoveryism” is what I call the charade of one-day-at-a-time sobriety. The recovery group movement is a fellowship of addiction that creates the lifestyle of recoveryism for its members. The oldest story in the addict’s book of evasions is, “I’m working on the problem,” while expecting the family to live under the cloud of uncertainty. Recoveryism means “in recovery,” and in recovery means in addiction. People in recovery reserve the privilege of drinking/using for the rest of their lives, under the pretext of “relapses,” and shift responsibility for relapses onto addictive disease and onto the family. They complain of rotten genes and dysfunctional families, as well as imagined abuses and other shortcomings of the family. Addiction and recoveryism are anti-family at the core.There is some new material for families of addiction here:
Crash Course on AVRT® for Families of Addiction
This programmed instruction will help many families shake free from the emotional blackmail of recoveryism.
Jack Trimpey
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I realize that there are quite a few examples of substance abuse counselors who take a dim view of 12-step recoveryism. Indeed, the psychological disease concept of addiction has quite a following! Some substance abuse counselors even offer guidance and support with surprisingly sane elements, and I am sure you are one of them.
However, your credential, RAS, does not give the public nor anyone else a clue about how your counseling services measure up to common sense, family values, or other measure of efficacy. In fact, by sporting your RAS credential, you strongly suggest to consumers of services that you were stamped out by the 12-step syndicate’s self-anointing certification racket.
It is only because I am somewhat acqainted with you, that I respect your views and comments. I forgive you your RAS, along with any other designation that would seem to trump your own intelligence, common sense, and decency. I know that you are an asset to your community, and that many men and women have been spared needless years of recoveryism because of your steadfast, unrelenting advocacy of traditional professional values.
I am not quite ready to publish my “dirty work” piece on substance abuse counseling, which I promised a few weeks ago. When that still-untitled piece comes out, which will be soon, I hope you will not take my presentation personally. Of course, that is entirely up to you, and not a concern that I can take into consideration in preparing it for publication.Jack Trimpey
PS — Because AVRT® is not a form of treatment, it cannot be proved to be effective, as you suggest. It’s just the free-will paradigm in a brief, educational format.