Comments on: Can the Beast® Vote? http://rational.org/blog/53/ Alcoholism, Drug Addiction, AA, 12-step Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:08:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: WARNING: Marijuana Will Turn You Into a Liberal » Rational Recovery News & Information Blog http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-49443 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:01:31 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-49443 [...] An earlier blog here explored the political and voting preferences of substance abusers, but this very recent article sheds more light on that topic. [...] […] An earlier blog here explored the political and voting preferences of substance abusers, but this very recent article sheds more light on that topic. […]

]]> by: Brian Asbury http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-36561 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:38:03 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-36561 This whole scenario seems Orwellian, with the "inner party" being the 12 step movement. They want to create a Big Brother state by making it so you cannot say anything bad about their kind, it seems. I am so thankful that I am not only free from my AV, but also free from their 12 step "Newspeak". I will never drink again, nor will I ever attend another recovery group meeting, EVER! What liberation, what freedom. This whole scenario seems Orwellian, with the “inner party” being the 12 step movement. They want to create a Big Brother state by making it so you cannot say anything bad about their kind, it seems.
I am so thankful that I am not only free from my AV, but also free from their 12 step “Newspeak”. I will never drink again, nor will I ever attend another recovery group meeting, EVER!

What liberation, what freedom.

]]> by: DS http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-35046 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:38:11 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-35046 <blockquote>Anyone can recognize that many social issues serve the interests of addictive desire, i.e., “the Beast.” What that perspective means to you is your own business, and you are free to express your wishes in the voting booth.</blockquote> Okay, but the tone of your original post suggests that to vote for more personal freedom is automatically giving in to the AV. There are lots of reasons to vote Republican or Democratic. including ideas about freedom. If you think electing a Democrat will make it easier to smoke pot, then I suppose that's the AV at work. But if you think your AV needn't determine larger social policy, then I don't think it's ipso facto automatic that being pro legalization is pro AV. <blockquote>DS, The expression, “pro-AV,” goes beyond the definition of the Addictive Voice — <em>any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol and other hedonic drugs.</em> Legalization certainly fits that definition. The article’s thesis is only that the Addictive Voice carries with it a political agenda.</blockquote> <blockquote>The collective Addictive Voice consists of the beliefs and values of addicted people, particularly liberal social policies and political viewpoints surrounding substance abuse. Here is some new material on <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rational.org/recoveryism.php">recoveryism</a> which takes the discussion of this article a little further.</blockquote> <blockquote>Jack Trimpey</blockquote> <blockquote></blockquote>

Anyone can recognize that many social issues serve the interests of addictive desire, i.e., “the Beast.” What that perspective means to you is your own business, and you are free to express your wishes in the voting booth.

Okay, but the tone of your original post suggests that to vote for more personal freedom is automatically giving in to the AV. There are lots of reasons to vote Republican or Democratic. including ideas about freedom. If you think electing a Democrat will make it easier to smoke pot, then I suppose that’s the AV at work.

But if you think your AV needn’t determine larger social policy, then I don’t think it’s ipso facto automatic that being pro legalization is pro AV.

DS,

The expression, “pro-AV,” goes beyond the definition of the Addictive Voice — any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol and other hedonic drugs. Legalization certainly fits that definition. The article’s thesis is only that the Addictive Voice carries with it a political agenda.

The collective Addictive Voice consists of the beliefs and values of addicted people, particularly liberal social policies and political viewpoints surrounding substance abuse. Here is some new material on recoveryism which takes the discussion of this article a little further.

Jack Trimpey

]]> by: DS http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-32634 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:59:08 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/53/#comment-32634 I can understand opposing government subsidies, but what purportedly freedom-loving person would oppose legalization of marijuana? Just because you can't handle it means no one else is allowed to either? Sounds like nanny state-ism to me. I assume you also think no one should ever be allowed to gamble, either? <blockquote><em>DS,</em> <em>The article, “Can the Beast Vote?,” simply applies AVRT® to social policies. The Addictive Voice is any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol or other drugs by problem drinkers and other substance abusers.  </em> <em>Anyone can recognize that many social issues serve the interests of addictive desire, i.e., “the Beast.” What that perspective means to you is your own business, and you are free to express your wishes in the voting booth. </em> <em>Cheers, Jack Trimpey </em></blockquote> I can understand opposing government subsidies, but what purportedly freedom-loving person would oppose legalization of marijuana? Just because you can’t handle it means no one else is allowed to either? Sounds like nanny state-ism to me. I assume you also think no one should ever be allowed to gamble, either?

DS,

The article, “Can the Beast Vote?,” simply applies AVRT® to social policies. The Addictive Voice is any thinking that supports or suggests the possible future use of alcohol or other drugs by problem drinkers and other substance abusers.  

Anyone can recognize that many social issues serve the interests of addictive desire, i.e., “the Beast.” What that perspective means to you is your own business, and you are free to express your wishes in the voting booth.

Cheers, Jack Trimpey

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