Comments on: In Case Democracy is Still Working, Vote NO on Prop 5 http://rational.org/blog/57/ Alcoholism, Drug Addiction, AA, 12-step Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:24:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Neil http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-49497 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:53:24 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-49497 Let him without sin, cast the first stone. I suppose you think that any of the things you did while in active alcoholism, are of no matter now, and not still thought of and hurtful to those who love you. Regardless of how many years it's been. You've become Phariseeical, and no better than Bill W. You're a right wing version of Bill W, and he (while he was alive), and you, are both cracked from the illusion of power you think you have. So don't label me a "left wing" liberal, I am far right in my political and moral views. I no more agree with your views and sense of moral authority, than I did Bill W's left wing agenda of powerlessness, and victimization. Where did you get "your sense of morality"? Where does a sense of morality come from? I think it's a matter of faith. You may have had passed on to you from parents and society, but from where did it originate? Someone's faith in their belief of right and wrong. Which originated, again, from where? It sure sounds Biblical to me, although for profits' sake you will not make mention of the "Biblical" beast, because that doesn't sell. Then your book would be no better than any other "Christian" self-help book. That wouldn't be in accordance with your trademark of AVRT. All you have done is trademark the letters AVRT, but I can assure you the concept is not of your making. Now shall we engage in censorship, or shall you invite intelligent discord, rather than dogmatic belief? Ah as I thought. You're concept of AVRT, is not original to you. The concept of the Beast was used in Biblical times. Many philosophers and great thinkers of the past have looked into the "darker side' of human nature. What appalls me is the fact that you have registered this in copyright as a concept with which you invented. Thereby fooling those who suffer from addictions who have been disillusioned by 12 step programs. I too suffered from this disillusionment with 12 step programs. I came across your website in 2000 and purchased your book "The new cure for Addiction". Since then I have watched you go from one willing to help someone, to nothing more than a "know it all", who doesn't come out and say, your way is the only way, (neither did Bill W, though many of his followers do), although it is insinuated, just as it was with Bill W. I'm sure many of your followers would fight for your way of thinking, as many of the 12 steppers would for Bill's message. I personally am sick of it. Bill W is one extreme and you are the other and I'm sick of the fight, because in my opinion you're both wrong. You are just like one of the "moneychangers" that Jesus ran out of the temple for your greed in wanting to make money off of people's suffering. To top it off, now you have entered the political arena. Have fun counting your money, and furthering your political agenda. <blockquote>Neil, At first I didn’t understand why you’re so hostile toward me, until I realize you’re a post smoker, defending your continued self-intoxication even after causing decades of hardship to others by drinking/using. It would have been better to identify yourself, “I smoke marijuana myself, and I take issue with your views on drug addiction.” As for your attacks on my character, it is the way of the Beast to circumvent reason with hostility and character attacks. I cannot remember most of the harm I caused others, including my family, so I cannot do fearless moral inventories on those offenses. My behavior under the influence is that of my animal nature, which I set loose on others by the act of self-intoxication. It is a vile act, not an innocent symptom of anything, and I renounce my moral right to ever drink/use again. When I apologize to those I care about, which I do from time to time, it is for drinking while knowing the harm my drinking was causing them. I am sorry about everything I did under the influence, but I am most dreadfully ashamed of the fact that I drank fully conscious of the risk of harm to others. You haven’t grasped AVRT® because you are following the dark star of your next fix. When you are ready to quit, I think you’ll find your way with Biblical Christianity, due to your greater respect for those authors. Thus far, it is clear you are in the grip of the Beast, seeing and reading through its eyes rather than yours. For example, your perception of my moralism only reflects your own, but we stand on opposite sides of the abstinence issue. I hope that catches your attention, although the Beast is oppositional to the truth, defending evil causes such as substance abuse, collectivism, human rights (as opposed to inalienable rights and human responsibilities). If you are annoyed that I have taken a trademark on AVRT®, then you’ll really love the fact that I also own the mark of the Beast®.  Put that in your pot pipe and smoke it. Jack Trimpey</blockquote> Let him without sin, cast the first stone. I suppose you think that any of the things you did while in active alcoholism, are of no matter now, and not still thought of and hurtful to those who love you. Regardless of how many years it’s been. You’ve become Phariseeical, and no better than Bill W. You’re a right wing version of Bill W, and he (while he was alive), and you, are both cracked from the illusion of power you think you have. So don’t label me a “left wing” liberal, I am far right in my political and moral views. I no more agree with your views and sense of moral authority, than I did Bill W’s left wing agenda of powerlessness, and victimization. Where did you get “your sense of morality”? Where does a sense of morality come from? I think it’s a matter of faith. You may have had passed on to you from parents and society, but from where did it originate? Someone’s faith in their belief of right and wrong. Which originated, again, from where? It sure sounds Biblical to me, although for profits’ sake you will not make mention of the “Biblical” beast, because that doesn’t sell. Then your book would be no better than any other “Christian” self-help book. That wouldn’t be in accordance with your trademark of AVRT. All you have done is trademark the letters AVRT, but I can assure you the concept is not of your making. Now shall we engage in censorship, or shall you invite intelligent discord, rather than dogmatic belief? Ah as I thought. You’re concept of AVRT, is not original to you. The concept of the Beast was used in Biblical times. Many philosophers and great thinkers of the past have looked into the “darker side’ of human nature. What appalls me is the fact that you have registered this in copyright as a concept with which you invented. Thereby fooling those who suffer from addictions who have been disillusioned by 12 step programs. I too suffered from this disillusionment with 12 step programs. I came across your website in 2000 and purchased your book “The new cure for Addiction”. Since then I have watched you go from one willing to help someone, to nothing more than a “know it all”, who doesn’t come out and say, your way is the only way, (neither did Bill W, though many of his followers do), although it is insinuated, just as it was with Bill W. I’m sure many of your followers would fight for your way of thinking, as many of the 12 steppers would for Bill’s message. I personally am sick of it. Bill W is one extreme and you are the other and I’m sick of the fight, because in my opinion you’re both wrong. You are just like one of the “moneychangers” that Jesus ran out of the temple for your greed in wanting to make money off of people’s suffering. To top it off, now you have entered the political arena. Have fun counting your money, and furthering your political agenda.

Neil,

At first I didn’t understand why you’re so hostile toward me, until I realize you’re a post smoker, defending your continued self-intoxication even after causing decades of hardship to others by drinking/using. It would have been better to identify yourself, “I smoke marijuana myself, and I take issue with your views on drug addiction.”

As for your attacks on my character, it is the way of the Beast to circumvent reason with hostility and character attacks. I cannot remember most of the harm I caused others, including my family, so I cannot do fearless moral inventories on those offenses. My behavior under the influence is that of my animal nature, which I set loose on others by the act of self-intoxication. It is a vile act, not an innocent symptom of anything, and I renounce my moral right to ever drink/use again. When I apologize to those I care about, which I do from time to time, it is for drinking while knowing the harm my drinking was causing them. I am sorry about everything I did under the influence, but I am most dreadfully ashamed of the fact that I drank fully conscious of the risk of harm to others.

You haven’t grasped AVRT® because you are following the dark star of your next fix. When you are ready to quit, I think you’ll find your way with Biblical Christianity, due to your greater respect for those authors. Thus far, it is clear you are in the grip of the Beast, seeing and reading through its eyes rather than yours. For example, your perception of my moralism only reflects your own, but we stand on opposite sides of the abstinence issue. I hope that catches your attention, although the Beast is oppositional to the truth, defending evil causes such as substance abuse, collectivism, human rights (as opposed to inalienable rights and human responsibilities).
If you are annoyed that I have taken a trademark on AVRT®, then you’ll really love the fact that I also own the mark of the Beast®.  Put that in your pot pipe and smoke it.

Jack Trimpey

]]> by: Eddie "The Great" Street http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-49006 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:24:42 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-49006 Wow, this propostion 5 thing is pretty scary. "Proposition 5 could provide, in effect, a “get-out-of-jail-free” card to defendants charged with crimes. For example, domestic violence, child abuse, mortgage fraud, identity theft, vehicular manslaughter, insurance fraud and auto theft, letting them effectively escape criminal prosecution altogether." Looks like they're taking the "Justice" out of the justice system. Wow, this propostion 5 thing is pretty scary.

“Proposition 5 could provide, in effect, a “get-out-of-jail-free” card to defendants charged with crimes. For example, domestic violence, child abuse, mortgage fraud, identity theft, vehicular manslaughter, insurance fraud and auto theft, letting them effectively escape criminal prosecution altogether.”

Looks like they’re taking the “Justice” out of the justice system.

]]> by: Ruth http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47963 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:20:31 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47963 I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often. Ruth http://www.infrared-sauna-spot.info I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don’t know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.

Ruth

http://www.infrared-sauna-spot.info

]]> by: hockley http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47653 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:43:34 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47653 Off topic -- The great majority quit on their own. With no or minimal group involvement. That is what I did, and I am commonplace. Rumor has it that folks can't do that. That rumor is false. Off topic –
The great majority quit on their own. With no or minimal group involvement. That is what I did, and I am commonplace.
Rumor has it that folks can’t do that. That rumor is false.

]]> by: Jim Heckel http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47553 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:18:26 +0000 http://rational.org/blog/57/#comment-47553 Apparently, 61 percent of your fellow Californians agree with you. Congratulations. I can just see old Beast shaking his head in defeat, sitting on his butt and wondering just how "insensitive" and "racist" those Californians can be, uh? ;) Apparently, 61 percent of your fellow Californians agree with you. Congratulations. I can just see old Beast shaking his head in defeat, sitting on his butt and wondering just how “insensitive” and “racist” those Californians can be, uh? ;)

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