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		<title>by: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-59962</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Beating your wife turns you into a right-wing idiot, am I right?</description>
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		<title>by: Juls</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-50646</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I also am going to be completely recovered from alcohol abuse using the AVRT technique I am learning through RR, I am curious about AVRT and Gay vs Hetro recovery using AVRT. In other words....will one only be successful and be completely recovered from an addiction if that one also then becomes recovered from being Gay or changes that lifestyle? Can there be substance &quot;RECOVERED&quot; gay and lesbians?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Juls,

Both gays and straights may recover from substance addiction via AVRT®. There is no burden of change for anyone in AVRT-based recovery other than to cease and forever desist from the use of alcohol and hedonic drugs.

Once securely abstinent, formerly addicted people often make major changes on account of their improved moral reasoning, comprehension, and emotional stability. The Abstinence Commitment Effect is a return to one’s original identity and character, before sliding into the degeneracy of substance addiction. One of the most significant changes independently recovered people experience is in the social behavior, especially with regard to choice of friends and associates. By staying away from bad company, such as found in recovery groups and other social ghettos, it is possible to discover one’s better identity, unburdened by the stigma or labels of group identity.

Jack Trimpey&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am going to be completely recovered from alcohol abuse using the AVRT technique I am learning through RR, I am curious about AVRT and Gay vs Hetro recovery using AVRT. In other words&#8230;.will one only be successful and be completely recovered from an addiction if that one also then becomes recovered from being Gay or changes that lifestyle? Can there be substance &#8220;RECOVERED&#8221; gay and lesbians?</p>
<blockquote><p>Juls,</p>
<p>Both gays and straights may recover from substance addiction via AVRT®. There is no burden of change for anyone in AVRT-based recovery other than to cease and forever desist from the use of alcohol and hedonic drugs.</p>
<p>Once securely abstinent, formerly addicted people often make major changes on account of their improved moral reasoning, comprehension, and emotional stability. The Abstinence Commitment Effect is a return to one’s original identity and character, before sliding into the degeneracy of substance addiction. One of the most significant changes independently recovered people experience is in the social behavior, especially with regard to choice of friends and associates. By staying away from bad company, such as found in recovery groups and other social ghettos, it is possible to discover one’s better identity, unburdened by the stigma or labels of group identity.</p>
<p>Jack Trimpey</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Beth</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-50090</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I read through this blog waiting for the punchline- which sadly never came.  Wow.  I've been reading your book, Rational Recovery and completely enjoying it.  I've been sober for 6 months now and quit by doing pretty much what your book talks about.  But listening to you rant about liberals..... very disappointing.  I agree with the person that wrote the first comment.
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 40px&quot;&gt;Beth,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 40px&quot;&gt;It would be good of you to explain a little more about your disappointment. For example, why would you be disappointed to learn that substance abuse is a direct cause of anti-family attitudes, anti-social behavior, and liberal politics? Why would you be disappointed to learn that the author of the most important book you’ve ever read is deeply pro-family, and that AVRT® is the only family-centered approach to addiction recovery in existence? Have you never noticed the relationship between substance abuse and liberalism? Or, how about the relationship between anti-family attitudes and liberalism?
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 40px&quot;&gt;One more question, while we’re at it: What is your plan for the future use of alcohol and other drugs? Are you going to use again in this lifetime, or are you not? I’m a little concerned about your claim on being “sober.”
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 40px&quot;&gt;Jack Trimpey
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through this blog waiting for the punchline- which sadly never came.  Wow.  I&#8217;ve been reading your book, Rational Recovery and completely enjoying it.  I&#8217;ve been sober for 6 months now and quit by doing pretty much what your book talks about.  But listening to you rant about liberals&#8230;.. very disappointing.  I agree with the person that wrote the first comment.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px">Beth,</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px">It would be good of you to explain a little more about your disappointment. For example, why would you be disappointed to learn that substance abuse is a direct cause of anti-family attitudes, anti-social behavior, and liberal politics? Why would you be disappointed to learn that the author of the most important book you’ve ever read is deeply pro-family, and that AVRT® is the only family-centered approach to addiction recovery in existence? Have you never noticed the relationship between substance abuse and liberalism? Or, how about the relationship between anti-family attitudes and liberalism?</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px">One more question, while we’re at it: What is your plan for the future use of alcohol and other drugs? Are you going to use again in this lifetime, or are you not? I’m a little concerned about your claim on being “sober.”</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px">Jack Trimpey</p>
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		<title>by: Neil </title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-49495</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I know for myself and  of my closest friends, that the idea of smoking marijuana turning one into a liberal is not true.  We have all smoked marijuana from time periods ranging from 20 to 35 years.  All of us are grounded in our beliefs on the need for a strong military, the need for traditional values and ethics,etc.  None of us are happy with the way our country is going.  The &quot;MTV&quot;, BET generation,  the selective liberal reporting from our so-called &quot;news&quot; networks. The straying away from &quot;general decency&quot; which is so prevalent in our society today.  We know the difference between right and wrong.  Just like we were raised with.  I'm sure in some cases what you are saying is true.  Those I associate with do not agree however that this a &quot;one-size-fits-all&quot; generalization, nor do I.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Neil,

Political orientation is basically how we see ourselves in the world at large. What do we value, how do we define the good and the bad, how do we want our lives to be governed and by whom? And so on. Substance abuse has a radical, immediate effect on our perceptions of everything, starting with our own family members and our original family values. Substance abuse is self-forgiving, in that anything that feels so good cannot really be wrong, or at least very wrong. Our views of social issues, starting with the procurement of alcohol and other hedonic drugs, the taxation of it, of politicians who condemn or protect it, of the responsibilities and expectations of substance abusers themselves —all are strongly affected by our first and subsequent doses of those substances. Relations with authority are radically altered so that moral authority in itself is regarded as an evil, something to be resented and feared, challenged and subverted. Your comment about common decency is an example of this.

People’s political and philosophical views change throughout life, so some substance abusers go through a liberal phase and later return to traditional family values. Others who get absorbed into the social ghetto of recoveryism, i.e., recovery groups, retain their juvenile, resentful attitudes and engage nightly in discourse with the low-life of their communities, refusing to render moral judgment on anything other than their own insignificant lives. Judgment itself is thrown out the window as if to judge others is akin to a violation of their rights to be judgment-free.

Although we might find many apparent exeptions to this connections, evidence abounds all around us that mass, runaway addiction to alcohol and other drugs is a scourge upon the human family, while at the same time a promise of “Happy days are here again,” as sung at FDR’s coronation following the repeal of Prohibition.

Our perceptions of the entire world and all ideas related to it are inverted by the regression to the primitive caused by mind-blowing addictive pleasures.

Jack Trimpey&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with a lot of what you&#8217;re saying, I know for myself and  of my closest friends, that the idea of smoking marijuana turning one into a liberal is not true.  We have all smoked marijuana from time periods ranging from 20 to 35 years.  All of us are grounded in our beliefs on the need for a strong military, the need for traditional values and ethics,etc.  None of us are happy with the way our country is going.  The &#8220;MTV&#8221;, BET generation,  the selective liberal reporting from our so-called &#8220;news&#8221; networks. The straying away from &#8220;general decency&#8221; which is so prevalent in our society today.  We know the difference between right and wrong.  Just like we were raised with.  I&#8217;m sure in some cases what you are saying is true.  Those I associate with do not agree however that this a &#8220;one-size-fits-all&#8221; generalization, nor do I.</p>
<blockquote><p>Neil,</p>
<p>Political orientation is basically how we see ourselves in the world at large. What do we value, how do we define the good and the bad, how do we want our lives to be governed and by whom? And so on. Substance abuse has a radical, immediate effect on our perceptions of everything, starting with our own family members and our original family values. Substance abuse is self-forgiving, in that anything that feels so good cannot really be wrong, or at least very wrong. Our views of social issues, starting with the procurement of alcohol and other hedonic drugs, the taxation of it, of politicians who condemn or protect it, of the responsibilities and expectations of substance abusers themselves —all are strongly affected by our first and subsequent doses of those substances. Relations with authority are radically altered so that moral authority in itself is regarded as an evil, something to be resented and feared, challenged and subverted. Your comment about common decency is an example of this.</p>
<p>People’s political and philosophical views change throughout life, so some substance abusers go through a liberal phase and later return to traditional family values. Others who get absorbed into the social ghetto of recoveryism, i.e., recovery groups, retain their juvenile, resentful attitudes and engage nightly in discourse with the low-life of their communities, refusing to render moral judgment on anything other than their own insignificant lives. Judgment itself is thrown out the window as if to judge others is akin to a violation of their rights to be judgment-free.</p>
<p>Although we might find many apparent exeptions to this connections, evidence abounds all around us that mass, runaway addiction to alcohol and other drugs is a scourge upon the human family, while at the same time a promise of “Happy days are here again,” as sung at FDR’s coronation following the repeal of Prohibition.</p>
<p>Our perceptions of the entire world and all ideas related to it are inverted by the regression to the primitive caused by mind-blowing addictive pleasures.</p>
<p>Jack Trimpey</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: john smith</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-49474</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just like to say thanks Jack for the encouragement and guidance your book gives. Funnily enough my daughter was 8 on the day that you published this dope article.
Just finished today helping her begin her &quot;first novel&quot; and putting her to bed normally the beast would have won with  &quot;It's Sunday get to the pub, you deserve it.&quot; but I will never drink again. 

Keep spreading the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like to say thanks Jack for the encouragement and guidance your book gives. Funnily enough my daughter was 8 on the day that you published this dope article.<br />
Just finished today helping her begin her &#8220;first novel&#8221; and putting her to bed normally the beast would have won with  &#8220;It&#8217;s Sunday get to the pub, you deserve it.&#8221; but I will never drink again. </p>
<p>Keep spreading the message.
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		<title>by: Dan </title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-49365</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh my! I can see very clearly where you are coming from and going to logically but mercy, take a chill pill! I know conservative (occasional) pot smokers and liberal humored tight asses with conventional 'family values'.  The world is not ink black and clorox white. Human consciousness in the final end rises above this dangerous conditioned vernacular. Addiction sucks —  listening to Real Time is not going to make me rush to the store to buy a bottle of vodka or seek out a 'fatty' to light up.
I think that the trouble resides in the fact that the people who need to understand that there is a forgotten sober 'happiness' as opposed to their addictive pleasure 'happiness' are so far gone they would never read this warning blog (and are certainly not getting trapped or staying trapped in their hell by watching Bill Maher say he enjoys smoking pot or listening to George Carlin have fun with the human ego/English language.) Suffice it to say a clear open sober mind is the bar any healthy society strives to maintain as the norm.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dan,

Neither do I think that watching &lt;em&gt;Real Time&lt;/em&gt; changes people. However, those who watch it without retching are in the bag, not only politically, but in the street sense as well. The revolution came, was won by the Beast, and no one noticed.

Jack Trimpey&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my! I can see very clearly where you are coming from and going to logically but mercy, take a chill pill! I know conservative (occasional) pot smokers and liberal humored tight asses with conventional &#8216;family values&#8217;.  The world is not ink black and clorox white. Human consciousness in the final end rises above this dangerous conditioned vernacular. Addiction sucks —  listening to Real Time is not going to make me rush to the store to buy a bottle of vodka or seek out a &#8216;fatty&#8217; to light up.<br />
I think that the trouble resides in the fact that the people who need to understand that there is a forgotten sober &#8216;happiness&#8217; as opposed to their addictive pleasure &#8216;happiness&#8217; are so far gone they would never read this warning blog (and are certainly not getting trapped or staying trapped in their hell by watching Bill Maher say he enjoys smoking pot or listening to George Carlin have fun with the human ego/English language.) Suffice it to say a clear open sober mind is the bar any healthy society strives to maintain as the norm.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dan,</p>
<p>Neither do I think that watching <em>Real Time</em> changes people. However, those who watch it without retching are in the bag, not only politically, but in the street sense as well. The revolution came, was won by the Beast, and no one noticed.</p>
<p>Jack Trimpey</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Frank Barnes</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-49361</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great atricle, Jack. You would make a good preacher too, of course you would not be very popular because your not liberal!
Interestingly Jesus said 2000 years ago what you say: &quot;If your Hand causes you to sin, cut it off&quot; (Matthew 5-30) Sounds just like; &quot; if your drinking and drug use are causing you problems, wouldnt it be better to cut it out once and for all&quot; (Jack Trimpey RR)
If the people who lead these 12 step meetings really knew thier stuff, they woul know that in Genesis 4 God told Cain that over coming sin was Cains responsibility not His!

God Bless you Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great atricle, Jack. You would make a good preacher too, of course you would not be very popular because your not liberal!<br />
Interestingly Jesus said 2000 years ago what you say: &#8220;If your Hand causes you to sin, cut it off&#8221; (Matthew 5-30) Sounds just like; &#8221; if your drinking and drug use are causing you problems, wouldnt it be better to cut it out once and for all&#8221; (Jack Trimpey RR)<br />
If the people who lead these 12 step meetings really knew thier stuff, they woul know that in Genesis 4 God told Cain that over coming sin was Cains responsibility not His!</p>
<p>God Bless you Jack
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		<title>by: DS</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/60/#comment-49360</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why are you so obsessed with proving a political ideology behind addiction? Newt Gingrich smoked pot too. The leader of the National Association of Evangelicals tried meth. Rush Limbaugh was hooked on pain killers. William F. Buckley wanted to end the war on drugs (and certainly enjoyed a stiff drink on occasion).
&lt;blockquote&gt;DS,

I’m  not sure my observations about the addiction/liberalism connection amounts to obsession, although I am quite interested in this matter. I have smoked pot, drank alcohol, popped speed pills, and engaged in the high life associated with those vices. Newt and Rush also used, and have since renounced that indulgence. Like all of my cohorts in substance abuse, I was a liberal during those years, sounding exactly like the asses of the left today. However, the effect of abstinence over the years has been quite civilizing, allowing me to see in the rear view mirror things I did not anticipate. People are subject to major changes in character following their basic assumptions about substance abuse.

There is nothing radical about the simple observation that hedonic drugs breed anti-family attitudes and antisocial behavior, including reflexive enmity with authority of all kinds, especially any moral authority which would impinge on one’s degeneracy. The anti-family nature of liberalism is obvious, despite defensive arguments to the contrary. In essence, liberalism is a natural function of the healthy, human body, a raw mentality of self-indulgence combined with emotional appeals for self-justification.

Conservatism is a euphemism for maturity, the adaptation one makes at the age of majority to his animal nature so that he/she may create a family fit for reproduction and parentage. Liberalism is a euphemism for childhood and adolescence, an aggregate of anti-family, anti-authority, often anti-social attitudes which amount to rejection of one’s origins and self-justification based upon anti-family, liberal culture. The place of substance abuse in the societal breakdown of the family is obvious and tragic.

Of course there are outstanding exceptions to my thesis here, but there is a rich vein to be explored in this matter.

Jack Trimpey&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so obsessed with proving a political ideology behind addiction? Newt Gingrich smoked pot too. The leader of the National Association of Evangelicals tried meth. Rush Limbaugh was hooked on pain killers. William F. Buckley wanted to end the war on drugs (and certainly enjoyed a stiff drink on occasion).</p>
<blockquote><p>DS,</p>
<p>I’m  not sure my observations about the addiction/liberalism connection amounts to obsession, although I am quite interested in this matter. I have smoked pot, drank alcohol, popped speed pills, and engaged in the high life associated with those vices. Newt and Rush also used, and have since renounced that indulgence. Like all of my cohorts in substance abuse, I was a liberal during those years, sounding exactly like the asses of the left today. However, the effect of abstinence over the years has been quite civilizing, allowing me to see in the rear view mirror things I did not anticipate. People are subject to major changes in character following their basic assumptions about substance abuse.</p>
<p>There is nothing radical about the simple observation that hedonic drugs breed anti-family attitudes and antisocial behavior, including reflexive enmity with authority of all kinds, especially any moral authority which would impinge on one’s degeneracy. The anti-family nature of liberalism is obvious, despite defensive arguments to the contrary. In essence, liberalism is a natural function of the healthy, human body, a raw mentality of self-indulgence combined with emotional appeals for self-justification.</p>
<p>Conservatism is a euphemism for maturity, the adaptation one makes at the age of majority to his animal nature so that he/she may create a family fit for reproduction and parentage. Liberalism is a euphemism for childhood and adolescence, an aggregate of anti-family, anti-authority, often anti-social attitudes which amount to rejection of one’s origins and self-justification based upon anti-family, liberal culture. The place of substance abuse in the societal breakdown of the family is obvious and tragic.</p>
<p>Of course there are outstanding exceptions to my thesis here, but there is a rich vein to be explored in this matter.</p>
<p>Jack Trimpey</p></blockquote>
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