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	<title>Comments on: Special Treatment, Addiction Treatment, and Rep. Patrick Kennedy</title>
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		<title>by: mark_31</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-12326</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I went to a counselor on the 3rd of July for some marriage problems and was immediately told I was depressed, needed Zoloft and a $5,250.00 progam that the counselor provided.  She also told me I was an angry person and would need AA. I was told to go see my doctor and get the Rx because she could not prescribe medication. When I saw my M.D. I was told that I was not depressed but he would give me Cymbalta to see how it would work. After my 1st dose I became violently ill. I stopped the medication at once.

On the 9th of July I decided to give up the the booze and weed.  I figured she would be happy with what I had done on my own. Wrong!


  I was told if I was not willing to do all of this she could not help me. I was then informed I would have to go to a shrink so he could prescribe other medication. When I refused she told me I would be a &quot;dry drunk&quot; and an &quot;angry, depressed&quot; person for the rest of my life.

On the 14th I went on the internet and found RR and felt better almost instantly. I had the gooseflesh and tears as I read the web site. It's a week without anything and I feel much better.

Thanks for a better way to get rid of IT! I will keep the blog informed of my progress.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a counselor on the 3rd of July for some marriage problems and was immediately told I was depressed, needed Zoloft and a $5,250.00 progam that the counselor provided.  She also told me I was an angry person and would need AA. I was told to go see my doctor and get the Rx because she could not prescribe medication. When I saw my M.D. I was told that I was not depressed but he would give me Cymbalta to see how it would work. After my 1st dose I became violently ill. I stopped the medication at once.</p>
<p>On the 9th of July I decided to give up the the booze and weed.  I figured she would be happy with what I had done on my own. Wrong!</p>
<p>  I was told if I was not willing to do all of this she could not help me. I was then informed I would have to go to a shrink so he could prescribe other medication. When I refused she told me I would be a &#8220;dry drunk&#8221; and an &#8220;angry, depressed&#8221; person for the rest of my life.</p>
<p>On the 14th I went on the internet and found RR and felt better almost instantly. I had the gooseflesh and tears as I read the web site. It&#8217;s a week without anything and I feel much better.</p>
<p>Thanks for a better way to get rid of IT! I will keep the blog informed of my progress.</p>
<p>Mark_31
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		<title>by: Thomas M. Medero</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-5381</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-5381</guid>
					<description>In response to H. Drexel Heath (above), I agree and disagree; Absolutely it is ultimately up to the individual. When one finds the life of addiction, its compromises, and disadvantages is in direct conflict with their core values, a constant, uncomfortable feeling resides in one's psyche. The only thing that will remove it is a CHANGE in BEHAVIOR to that which is in harmony with those core values, usually complete and continual abstinance. As far as how I disagree, I've never met any millionaires in the 12-step meetings I had the displeasure of attending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to H. Drexel Heath (above), I agree and disagree; Absolutely it is ultimately up to the individual. When one finds the life of addiction, its compromises, and disadvantages is in direct conflict with their core values, a constant, uncomfortable feeling resides in one&#8217;s psyche. The only thing that will remove it is a CHANGE in BEHAVIOR to that which is in harmony with those core values, usually complete and continual abstinance. As far as how I disagree, I&#8217;ve never met any millionaires in the 12-step meetings I had the displeasure of attending.
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		<title>by: H. Drexel Heath</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-4114</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-4114</guid>
					<description>I've been to several recovery groups..., It's all about money. I have found out the hard way, It's up to the individual ultimately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to several recovery groups&#8230;, It&#8217;s all about money. I have found out the hard way, It&#8217;s up to the individual ultimately.
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		<title>by: Lori</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-3728</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-3728</guid>
					<description>Hi ,
I went to an AA meeting last night and was so profoundly distressed by it and all the babbly and clicky words and group speak I felt like I was with the Hail Bob Comet people. It was really weird for me and I knew I could never quit drinking and be a part of that it just felt so wrong.

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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lori,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Sorry it took so long for you to find Rational Recovery. Information on addiction recovery through planned, permanent abstinence is suppressed in our society. Stay away from recovery groups of all kinds, set your confidence for lifetime abstinence arbitrarily at 100%, recognize all self-doubt as your Addictive Voice, and you’ll do fine. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Jack Trimpey  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ,<br />
I went to an AA meeting last night and was so profoundly distressed by it and all the babbly and clicky words and group speak I felt like I was with the Hail Bob Comet people. It was really weird for me and I knew I could never quit drinking and be a part of that it just felt so wrong.</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Lori,</em></p>
<p><em>Sorry it took so long for you to find Rational Recovery. Information on addiction recovery through planned, permanent abstinence is suppressed in our society. Stay away from recovery groups of all kinds, set your confidence for lifetime abstinence arbitrarily at 100%, recognize all self-doubt as your Addictive Voice, and you’ll do fine. </em></p>
<p><em>Jack Trimpey  </em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Jim Heckel</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-3724</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-3724</guid>
					<description>Here's my response to Mr Medero, above:

What you are looking at is not stupidity, but sociopathic pursuit of personal profit by 12 steppers paid to promote their fellowship (so much for &quot;forever unprofessional&quot;, &quot;without pay&quot;, and &quot;attraction, not promotion&quot;).  Those rehabs are raking in big cash from insurance payments, government grants, and charitable contributions.  The medical disease thing keeps 'em coming back for more rehabs, therapy sessions, yanno - BILLABLE HOURS.

Make no mistake - those 12 steppers are crazy like the wolf - and when they speak as RNs, PhDs, or even MDs does not change the fact that they put the fellowship first, and use these post-nominals as &quot;evidence&quot; that they know what they're talking about.  They know that treatment doesn't work - but they're either intimidated into silence by the Wilson/Smith NKVD, or they're 12 steppers themselves.

Finally, hey - doesn't the concept of a medical disease which can only be treated by a spiritual awakening strike you as more than a little absurd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my response to Mr Medero, above:</p>
<p>What you are looking at is not stupidity, but sociopathic pursuit of personal profit by 12 steppers paid to promote their fellowship (so much for &#8220;forever unprofessional&#8221;, &#8220;without pay&#8221;, and &#8220;attraction, not promotion&#8221;).  Those rehabs are raking in big cash from insurance payments, government grants, and charitable contributions.  The medical disease thing keeps &#8216;em coming back for more rehabs, therapy sessions, yanno - BILLABLE HOURS.</p>
<p>Make no mistake - those 12 steppers are crazy like the wolf - and when they speak as RNs, PhDs, or even MDs does not change the fact that they put the fellowship first, and use these post-nominals as &#8220;evidence&#8221; that they know what they&#8217;re talking about.  They know that treatment doesn&#8217;t work - but they&#8217;re either intimidated into silence by the Wilson/Smith NKVD, or they&#8217;re 12 steppers themselves.</p>
<p>Finally, hey - doesn&#8217;t the concept of a medical disease which can only be treated by a spiritual awakening strike you as more than a little absurd?
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		<title>by: Thomas M. Medero</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-1642</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-1642</guid>
					<description>Doesn't common sense mandate that if a process or proceedure doesn't work after a sincere effort(s), it's never going to work? and it's past time to try antother way? Logically, its the converse of &quot;if it ain't broke, don't fix it - if it is broke (hasn't worked) FIX IT: try something else! Its just common sense! Why on earth would someone continue to go through the same type of &quot;treatment&quot; program over and over and over if it doesn't work?  The level of stupidity just boggles my mind! Sincerely,T.M.M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t common sense mandate that if a process or proceedure doesn&#8217;t work after a sincere effort(s), it&#8217;s never going to work? and it&#8217;s past time to try antother way? Logically, its the converse of &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t broke, don&#8217;t fix it - if it is broke (hasn&#8217;t worked) FIX IT: try something else! Its just common sense! Why on earth would someone continue to go through the same type of &#8220;treatment&#8221; program over and over and over if it doesn&#8217;t work?  The level of stupidity just boggles my mind! Sincerely,T.M.M.
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		<title>by: declan keogh</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-442</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-442</guid>
					<description>Has AA denounced you officially?

&lt;em&gt;[Not to my knowledge, but it might be in their interests to do so. However, they do tend to isolate themselves from controversy surrounding their social cultism, pretending such arrogance to be the moral high ground. — Jack Trimpey]  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has AA denounced you officially?</p>
<p><em>[Not to my knowledge, but it might be in their interests to do so. However, they do tend to isolate themselves from controversy surrounding their social cultism, pretending such arrogance to be the moral high ground. — Jack Trimpey]  </em>
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		<title>by: dr.bomb</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-7</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just noticed the blog link from the RR website. I just had to check it out and am positively thrilled finding Jack and the gang kicking ass as usual. Just to let y'all know I'm doing great and nice to see Trimpey further along within the fray with a blog.I have a dream: The complete abolition of the social services system, which includes the addiction &quot;treatment&quot; fraud as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed the blog link from the RR website. I just had to check it out and am positively thrilled finding Jack and the gang kicking ass as usual. Just to let y&#8217;all know I&#8217;m doing great and nice to see Trimpey further along within the fray with a blog.I have a dream: The complete abolition of the social services system, which includes the addiction &#8220;treatment&#8221; fraud as a whole.
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		<title>by: Tamara Angles</title>
		<link>http://rational.org/blog/8/#comment-5</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Several years ago, I went to the Betty Ford Clinic, and enrolled in the Professionals' Program. Upon arriving, I discovered that the room I was taking over had just been vacated by Patrick Kennedy's mother, Joan. Well, we all know how successful the &quot;recovery&quot; movement has worked for her! When I learned the identity the person I was replacing, I began to have serious doubts about my decision to go to rehab. Who among us doesn't know about Ms. Kennedy's repeated efforts to remain sober? Thanks for the incredible information; I've recommended this site to my brother, who is a pastor/therapist in Houston, Texas.

Best to you,
Tamara Angeles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, I went to the Betty Ford Clinic, and enrolled in the Professionals&#8217; Program. Upon arriving, I discovered that the room I was taking over had just been vacated by Patrick Kennedy&#8217;s mother, Joan. Well, we all know how successful the &#8220;recovery&#8221; movement has worked for her! When I learned the identity the person I was replacing, I began to have serious doubts about my decision to go to rehab. Who among us doesn&#8217;t know about Ms. Kennedy&#8217;s repeated efforts to remain sober? Thanks for the incredible information; I&#8217;ve recommended this site to my brother, who is a pastor/therapist in Houston, Texas.</p>
<p>Best to you,<br />
Tamara Angeles
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