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Tommy Perkins Member	posted 09-15-2003 06:24 PM Because of a comment by a Coast Guard officer on the discussion forums at military.com, I wrote this letter to the Substance Abuse Program Manager of the U.S. Coast Guard. Her answer is below. I'll be following up on this and asking her what "treatment" programs allow a member to choose SMART or RR over AA. There are numerous links on the internet which state 12-step meetings are required in Navy treatment. The Coast Guard actually does not have its own treatment; it sends its members to Navy treatment: Dear CWO Thomas, There has been a discussion on the Coast Guard forum at military.com concerning alcohol treatment. According to the Personell Manual some Coast Guard members are required to attend 12-step (AA/NA) meetings. Is AA religious in nature? Sincerely, Tommy Perkins Mr. Perkins, You are correct that some members are required to attend a 12 step program prior to and/or treatment. AA/NA are one of many 12 step programs and can be considered "spritual" in nature. The CG does not mandate that a member requiring a 12 step program go to AA. AA is just, perhaps the most recognized name. Other 12 step programs that do not have a religious conotation are Rational Recovery and Smart Recovery and they are perfectly acceptable 12 step programs for CG members. I hope this answers your question. If you need more information, please let me know. CWO2 Karin Thomas Substance Abuse Program Manager USCG HQ Ph: (202) 267-6658 Fax: (202) 267-4798 IP: Logged
czsocal Member	posted 09-15-2003 10:19 PM That is very interesting that he refered to RR as a 12 step program. Now '12 step' has become synonymous with treatment, and RR isn't even that. CZ IP: Logged
Buttercup Member	posted 09-15-2003 10:24 PM quote: That is very interesting that he refered to RR as a 12 step program. Now '12 step' has become synonymous with treatment, and RR isn't even that. Doesn't surprise me. After all, AA's had 70 years or so to inculcate the idea that they, and they alone, have "The Answer" to "alcoholism". Now anyone who hears that some group does "recovery", they naturally assume that it must be a "12 Step" program. It's a testiment as to the effectiveness of the "Big Lie" technique. IP: Logged
Iamsoready Member	posted 09-15-2003 11:02 PM quote: Originally posted by Tommy Perkins: Other 12 step programs that do not have a religious conotation are Rational Recovery and Smart Recovery and they are perfectly acceptable 12 step programs for CG members. I hope this answers your question. If you need more information, please let me know. CWO2 Karin Thomas Substance Abuse Program Manager USCG HQ Ph: (202) 267-6658 Fax: (202) 267-4798 Mr. T. is going to go ballistic! IP: Logged
Tommy Perkins Member	posted 09-15-2003 11:37 PM Check this out. According to the Coast Guard: "Rational Recovery is another method of treatment other than AA." http://tinylink.com/?CiSCnSCvSZ IP: Logged
teapot Member	posted 09-16-2003 03:14 AM At least they recognize and legitimize RR. When the success rate for RR becomes more well known people will begin to talk about what RR is and isn't. IP: Logged
Panther Member	posted 09-16-2003 03:24 AM It's the Coast Guard, what did you expect? The only thing the wanna be squid got wrong was RR is a 2 step program not a 12 step program. Step 1. I will never drink again. Step 2. I will never change my mind. ooooo-RAH, USMC, Panther IP: Logged
BeastMistress Member	posted 09-16-2003 05:22 AM So, Panther Will you lead the charge, carrying RR to the jarheads so they can show the rest of the armed forces how to do it properly? IP: Logged
Phil Member	posted 09-16-2003 07:45 AM The 12 Steps of Rational Recovery: Step 1: Make a decision to quit Step 2: Quit Steps 3 - 12: Do any f**king thing you feel like. IP: Logged
Panther Member	posted 09-16-2003 08:17 AM Nah, must jarheads understand when you are doing something stupid, you either quit the stupid behavior or someone will end it for you. 12 steps wouldn't go over too well in the USMC. Telling a Marine he is powerless doesn't work. (they just try to prove you wrong) IP: Logged
Tommy Perkins Member	posted 09-17-2003 01:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Panther: 12 steps wouldn't go over too well in the USMC. Telling a Marine he is powerless doesn't work. (they just try to prove you wrong)[/B] Like the Coast Guard the Marine Corps does not have its own treatment. Both the Coast Guard and Marine Corps send their people to Navy treatment. Scroll down and read the highlighted words: http://tinylink.com/?LVmOVIkjGl [This message has been edited by Tommy Perkins (edited 09-17-2003).] IP: Logged
Panther Member	posted 09-17-2003 03:36 PM Tommy, the Marines are under the Department of the Navy, so what ever the Navy says goes, they pay the bills. Panther IP: Logged
Carefree Member	posted 10-06-2003 07:24 PM quote: Originally posted by Tommy Perkins: Like the Coast Guard the Marine Corps does not have its own treatment. Both the Coast Guard and Marine Corps send their people to Navy treatment. Scroll down and read the highlighted words: http://tinylink.com/?LVmOVIkjGl I found this bit interesting: 1. To thoroughly examine the use of alcohol/drugs and its effects on their life. 2. To decide if, and how, they want to change their drinking/using. 3. To begin the process of making the changes in their life that are necessary for them to achieve their goal of changing their drinking/drug use. It seems that #2 is entirely superfluous, and that the decision is seen as already taken. I wonder how such absence of self-determination affects the course. [This message has been edited by Carefree (edited 10-06-2003).] [This message has been edited by Carefree (edited 10-06-2003).] IP: Logged

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